That's where the U.S. is really bad. In comparison, the United States has a population of 328 million people and there have been over 158,000 deaths so far.
"Look at South Korea, for example", Swan said as Trump continued to protest.
Trump might want to cool it on touting that we're doing more testing than anyone else when, combined with a positivity rate that indicates we should still do even more, that just means our outbreak is particularly bad.
"Oh, you're doing death as a proportion of cases", he said.
Swan said it's "surely relevant" to compare deaths to a country's population, noting that South Korea has a population of 51 million but only 300 deaths from coronavirus. It's under control as much as you can control it.
Mr Trump claimed, as he had repeatedly done, that the US's high rate of testing. was responsible for its high number of cases.
President Donald Trump's personal grievances aired anew this week as he dismissed the legacy of the late U.S. Representative John Lewis after snubbing the civil rights icon and defended his decision not to pay his respects following Lewis' recent death. In the interview, Swan also queries Trump on Rep. John Lewis, the civil rights leader, who recently died, and finds Trump would not attend the funeral, seemingly in part because Lewis did not attend his inauguration. It began when Lewis, along with a number of other congresspeople, refused to attend the President's inauguration. "He chose not to come to my inauguration", he said.
When Swan asked if Trump found Lewis "impressive", the president again demurred. Swan, however, wanted to know why the percentage of coronavirus deaths in proportion to the POPULATION was spiking in the US.
Trump challenged Swan's line of questioning about Lewis' achievements, blowing Lewis off as not very remarkable.
"I do wish her well", Trump said of Maxwell. "I find a lot of people impressive".
The clip of the exchange, which was filmed on July 28, quickly went viral on social media, with critics voicing alarm and disgust at Trump's ignorance and politically motivated efforts to downplay the severity of a pandemic that has killed more than 155,000 people in the U.S.